Howlingmutant is brutal, his "not all immigrants are criminals some are hard-working and honest, we don't want them either" was 10/10. Reminds me of squaddy humour, now punishable by discharge from the army in its original form.
Those eyes (Vance's in the photo) direct in the camera played like Gary Cooper in High Noon. Vance was also conciliatory, even-toned, and you can't shake the combination of experience and education he brought to the table. We'll see what happens in the future
It is, but it's not. You don't have to agree with everything and everyone who goes on strike but it's important the people stick together. Sure, the head of the union is a dirtbag mobbed up prick. Doesn't mean he isn't a bulldog for the workers he represents.
The big "cash grab" the Longshoreman are asking for, ~70% raise, is over 6 years and helps make up for lack of raises in former years.
And I for one don't think fully automating major arteries of commerce is either safe or healthy for society. The less we the people know how to take care of our needs, the less the system needs us, the more power the government has over us. Think about that.
I didn't think the right bought into the fully automated luxury communism pipe dream.
Fair points, and I'm sympathetic to these arguments. Did you read Cremieux's piece? Seems like the best thing to do is to pay them off and slowly, partially automate at the same time.
I'll try to check it out but it's important to point out the ports are already highly automated. I'm not sure how much more they could automate things in an efficient way. And more importantly we need to be going in the other direction. By which I mean bringing industry and advanced manufacturing back to the US. We won't have to rely on the ports for so much if we do that. As it stands they are vital to our survival and I'm not ready to cede everything to the robots. I work in tech and so much goes wrong just with software that my fear is over-automation will wind up not in some techo-utopia but with a helpless populace that can't take care of itself. We're largely there already.
If there was a massive sunspot it could fry every transformer on earth and then where will we be if everything is automated? I think technology is a trap and we should slow things down and prepare backup mechanisms for the rickety crap we rely on to survive instead of continuing on this course.
It's also a weird counter that in this same NRP, is Yarvin 's article pointing out that automation will create useless humans and sap the meaning out of life. So shouldn't these port workers keep their lamplighter jobs?
But I do see the arguments opposed, it's sad if true that our ports are shit compared to the rest of the world. In which case, what's the differences, specifically? Why aren't *they* upset about automation? The whole ecosystem of the port and industry is probably more complex than has been let on, I certainly don't know about it, so I'm reserving taking a side right now. But I hold all the right principles in finding a solution: Available work for unskilled/blue collar workers, living wages, collective bargaining power, and the pragmatic need to perform as an industry at a competitive output.
I don't think we need make work jobs I think we don't need fully automated everything. If full automation is so amazing and cheap why isn't McDonalds fully automated? Are they saying a Mickey-D's is more complex than a port operation? I'm sure our port infrastructure is lagging technology-wise but I wonder how much of that is due to automation.
Can you tell me what the average salary these Longshoreman are making is? I understand the contracts say their salary is somewhat modest, such as $60k (although I have a lot of friends making half of that and wondering how they're gonna have a family and a house). But then I see charts suggesting the typical Longshoreman makes $150k or more.
What salary do you believe they are currently making, and what salary do you believe they should be making?
It is a major point that when Union deals drive up costs, the market finds alternative routes around the union workers. This not only hurts those workers, but also all the industries that depend on the industry that union operates in. American manufacturing is definitely hurt by corruption and obstruction at the ports.
In all I agree with Dudley's synopsis -- we support American Labor. We have to recognize that current models for Organized Labor are not exactly going to take the American Worker where we want him to go.
It seems to vary a lot so it's hard to say. I imagine a lot of their pay is overtime as well so when people say they make $150k year that's likely the high end plus overtime. The 70% raise is over 6 years and makes up for years they didn't get raises.
When the US gets serious about rebuilding our infrastructure and industrial production we can stop relying on the ports as much and there will be plenty of jobs to go around. Until then we have to support labor. After 40 years of offshoring and importing massive numbers of foreign workers, as well as our finance-heavy system making everything cost a fortune, I'm not ready to give anything over to the corporate shitheads who use most of their profits for stock buybacks that increase the top executives compensation at the expense of everything else. Fuck 'em.
As I said, the charts I've seen showing $150k is not the "high end" but the average, with the high-end being north of $200k, which is more than most computer programmers.
I understand that a lot of this is due to Overtime, but how much is overtime? Is it any hours worked beyond 40? or hours worked beyond 30 or 20? or hours worked after 5pm or on weekends? Again, if the typical longshoreman is making $150k, I don't think it matters whether it's overtime or not. Many computer programmers work nights and weekends as well.
A 70% raise over 6 years is a 9.5% raise every year. That far exceeds the inflation over the past four years. When was the last time they got a raise? Does anyone know? Even if we assume it was before 2020, that's still equivalent to a 5.5% raise every year over 10 years, which most American workers don't get.
Finally, even if American manufacturing improves like we all hope it will, exports should increase as imports decrease. Corruption and obstruction at the ports, particularly in collusion with organized crime, is something we should not be tolerating.
The Fair Labor Standards Act requires time and a half for anything over 40 hours in one week, doubletime for Sundays. And yes, "professionals" are exempt but should they be? And "professional" has apparently come to mean any office job.
The real core of the problem is how high cost our economy has become. This is due to asset price inflation rooted in tens of trillions of USD flooding into financial speculation in housing, etc., from the Fed over the past 20 years plus oligopolies that raise prices all the time because they have no competition.
I have a chart that shows domestic US non-financial profits have risen by 132% in the past 4 years. This explains the "inflation" crisis is not inflation but price gouging.
Everything we need to live, from food to housing, fuel, education, healthcare, etc have exploded in price especially since the financial crash of '08. And the numbers they give for inflation are total bullshit - it is way higher. They have distorted the metrics so much we can't even get a clear picture of what's going on anymore.
Clean up the ports if the mob are causing problems but taking away some of the few well paying working class jobs is not the solution to any of our problems.
Catholics won't vote for Trump because of his generic-American abortion stance, but will pray for a pope who tells Muslims, Hindus, and Confucians that all religions are pathways to God. Curious, no?
Just say "I like the Pope" with the same assuredness as you say "Christ is Lord."
The Pope is obviously baited constantly by the forces of evil in the media to say things that will turn off one group of people or another. But as Catholics we know that there is only one God, He created one church, and the succession of the Apostles has never been broken. Don't cut yourself off from the mystical Body of Christ because you read something upsetting on the internet.
CCC 907 “In accord with the knowledge, competence, and preeminence which they possess, [lay people] have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and they have a right to make their opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward their pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons.”
There have been antipopes before, and even St. Vincent Ferrer unwisely supported one. Praise God for St. Catherine of Siena.
There have been antipopes, but there has never been an antipope during an interregnum, unless you are suggesting someone else is the valid pope? Pope Francis is legitimately elected, and is not in opposition to the pope recognized by the Catholic Church. He has not decreed any Church Teaching which is in contradiction of the Magisterium of the Faith. To suggest that Pope Francis is an antipope is scandalous.
If you're gonna claim to be Catholic, be Catholic; don't be anti-Catholic.
Where it all went wrong: the Enlightenment.
Howlingmutant is brutal, his "not all immigrants are criminals some are hard-working and honest, we don't want them either" was 10/10. Reminds me of squaddy humour, now punishable by discharge from the army in its original form.
HM is on another level and this roundup could easily be just a list of the best HM tweets every week.
Don't let me stop you
Those eyes (Vance's in the photo) direct in the camera played like Gary Cooper in High Noon. Vance was also conciliatory, even-toned, and you can't shake the combination of experience and education he brought to the table. We'll see what happens in the future
I thought the "new right" was pro-labor. Have you learned nothing Anon?
it's complicated
It is, but it's not. You don't have to agree with everything and everyone who goes on strike but it's important the people stick together. Sure, the head of the union is a dirtbag mobbed up prick. Doesn't mean he isn't a bulldog for the workers he represents.
The big "cash grab" the Longshoreman are asking for, ~70% raise, is over 6 years and helps make up for lack of raises in former years.
And I for one don't think fully automating major arteries of commerce is either safe or healthy for society. The less we the people know how to take care of our needs, the less the system needs us, the more power the government has over us. Think about that.
I didn't think the right bought into the fully automated luxury communism pipe dream.
Fair points, and I'm sympathetic to these arguments. Did you read Cremieux's piece? Seems like the best thing to do is to pay them off and slowly, partially automate at the same time.
Once industry is re-shored this won't be an issue.
I'll try to check it out but it's important to point out the ports are already highly automated. I'm not sure how much more they could automate things in an efficient way. And more importantly we need to be going in the other direction. By which I mean bringing industry and advanced manufacturing back to the US. We won't have to rely on the ports for so much if we do that. As it stands they are vital to our survival and I'm not ready to cede everything to the robots. I work in tech and so much goes wrong just with software that my fear is over-automation will wind up not in some techo-utopia but with a helpless populace that can't take care of itself. We're largely there already.
If there was a massive sunspot it could fry every transformer on earth and then where will we be if everything is automated? I think technology is a trap and we should slow things down and prepare backup mechanisms for the rickety crap we rely on to survive instead of continuing on this course.
It's also a weird counter that in this same NRP, is Yarvin 's article pointing out that automation will create useless humans and sap the meaning out of life. So shouldn't these port workers keep their lamplighter jobs?
But I do see the arguments opposed, it's sad if true that our ports are shit compared to the rest of the world. In which case, what's the differences, specifically? Why aren't *they* upset about automation? The whole ecosystem of the port and industry is probably more complex than has been let on, I certainly don't know about it, so I'm reserving taking a side right now. But I hold all the right principles in finding a solution: Available work for unskilled/blue collar workers, living wages, collective bargaining power, and the pragmatic need to perform as an industry at a competitive output.
I don't think we need make work jobs I think we don't need fully automated everything. If full automation is so amazing and cheap why isn't McDonalds fully automated? Are they saying a Mickey-D's is more complex than a port operation? I'm sure our port infrastructure is lagging technology-wise but I wonder how much of that is due to automation.
Can you tell me what the average salary these Longshoreman are making is? I understand the contracts say their salary is somewhat modest, such as $60k (although I have a lot of friends making half of that and wondering how they're gonna have a family and a house). But then I see charts suggesting the typical Longshoreman makes $150k or more.
What salary do you believe they are currently making, and what salary do you believe they should be making?
It is a major point that when Union deals drive up costs, the market finds alternative routes around the union workers. This not only hurts those workers, but also all the industries that depend on the industry that union operates in. American manufacturing is definitely hurt by corruption and obstruction at the ports.
In all I agree with Dudley's synopsis -- we support American Labor. We have to recognize that current models for Organized Labor are not exactly going to take the American Worker where we want him to go.
It seems to vary a lot so it's hard to say. I imagine a lot of their pay is overtime as well so when people say they make $150k year that's likely the high end plus overtime. The 70% raise is over 6 years and makes up for years they didn't get raises.
When the US gets serious about rebuilding our infrastructure and industrial production we can stop relying on the ports as much and there will be plenty of jobs to go around. Until then we have to support labor. After 40 years of offshoring and importing massive numbers of foreign workers, as well as our finance-heavy system making everything cost a fortune, I'm not ready to give anything over to the corporate shitheads who use most of their profits for stock buybacks that increase the top executives compensation at the expense of everything else. Fuck 'em.
As I said, the charts I've seen showing $150k is not the "high end" but the average, with the high-end being north of $200k, which is more than most computer programmers.
I understand that a lot of this is due to Overtime, but how much is overtime? Is it any hours worked beyond 40? or hours worked beyond 30 or 20? or hours worked after 5pm or on weekends? Again, if the typical longshoreman is making $150k, I don't think it matters whether it's overtime or not. Many computer programmers work nights and weekends as well.
A 70% raise over 6 years is a 9.5% raise every year. That far exceeds the inflation over the past four years. When was the last time they got a raise? Does anyone know? Even if we assume it was before 2020, that's still equivalent to a 5.5% raise every year over 10 years, which most American workers don't get.
Finally, even if American manufacturing improves like we all hope it will, exports should increase as imports decrease. Corruption and obstruction at the ports, particularly in collusion with organized crime, is something we should not be tolerating.
The Fair Labor Standards Act requires time and a half for anything over 40 hours in one week, doubletime for Sundays. And yes, "professionals" are exempt but should they be? And "professional" has apparently come to mean any office job.
The real core of the problem is how high cost our economy has become. This is due to asset price inflation rooted in tens of trillions of USD flooding into financial speculation in housing, etc., from the Fed over the past 20 years plus oligopolies that raise prices all the time because they have no competition.
I have a chart that shows domestic US non-financial profits have risen by 132% in the past 4 years. This explains the "inflation" crisis is not inflation but price gouging.
Everything we need to live, from food to housing, fuel, education, healthcare, etc have exploded in price especially since the financial crash of '08. And the numbers they give for inflation are total bullshit - it is way higher. They have distorted the metrics so much we can't even get a clear picture of what's going on anymore.
Clean up the ports if the mob are causing problems but taking away some of the few well paying working class jobs is not the solution to any of our problems.
This issue was probably the best issue you've done to date. An automatic all-timer.
“You were so worried about the longhouse that you forgot about the longshore. “ lololol
Also wow first funny Bridget Phetasy tweet of all time.
now now...
Catholics won't vote for Trump because of his generic-American abortion stance, but will pray for a pope who tells Muslims, Hindus, and Confucians that all religions are pathways to God. Curious, no?
I am a Catholic who will vote for Trump, and I pray that Jorge Bergoglio converts and becomes a Catholic.
Don't be a Seethe-vacantist, brother.
Just say "I like the Pope" with the same assuredness as you say "Christ is Lord."
The Pope is obviously baited constantly by the forces of evil in the media to say things that will turn off one group of people or another. But as Catholics we know that there is only one God, He created one church, and the succession of the Apostles has never been broken. Don't cut yourself off from the mystical Body of Christ because you read something upsetting on the internet.
CCC 907 “In accord with the knowledge, competence, and preeminence which they possess, [lay people] have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and they have a right to make their opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward their pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons.”
There have been antipopes before, and even St. Vincent Ferrer unwisely supported one. Praise God for St. Catherine of Siena.
There have been antipopes, but there has never been an antipope during an interregnum, unless you are suggesting someone else is the valid pope? Pope Francis is legitimately elected, and is not in opposition to the pope recognized by the Catholic Church. He has not decreed any Church Teaching which is in contradiction of the Magisterium of the Faith. To suggest that Pope Francis is an antipope is scandalous.
If you're gonna claim to be Catholic, be Catholic; don't be anti-Catholic.
Bergoglio was the antipope till the day Pope Benedict XVI died, and now the Holy See is vacant.
Outstanding issue. You keep getting better.
Few know this, but the Christian Ghetto is the best podcast, maybe ever
Oh man, that Bodybuilder forum archive reminds me of my good ol' days as a moderator in the Ladder Theory forums. <3