This week, we get to the bottom of what we should do about Home Depot Meemaw, that lady who “wished he wouldn’t have missed.” Our guest Charles Haywood, a self-made entrepreneur who can say whatever — and we mean whatever — he wants now, was one of the prominent voices on this week’s discourse cycle, and Dudley took the opportunity to poke and prodded at the boundaries of his hard stance on these matters.
In my fantasy world, which I wish was real world, Charles Haywood would be the Maximum Leader, and of course, his right-hand guy would be you, John. Foundationalism on Mars...I like it.
I think that Haywood is wrong on going after little fish.
His argument seems to be that you can't get the big ones so you go after the small. This only makes you look weak.
Maybe a more important counter is that there are many (tens of?) millions of Americans who are swinging voters. These are the sort of working people who aren't concerned with which side is funnier, has the better memes etc but who respond instead to twinges in the hip pocket nerve. Ordinary people don't spend all their time on the internet reading or posting rage screeds; in the real world politics are not as polarised as they seem to those who are always online.
These 'normie' types also tend to be extremely attached to the principle of free speech and dislike it when people are cancelled for their politics. If you want to win them over to the right even provisionally, say to get Trump elected, it's a poor tactic to start violating free speech principles merely to accomplish the sacking of a few people working for minimum wage or a bit over.
EDIT: two seconds after I post interview goes on and I hear that soldo made basically the same point...
EDIT 2: Haywood also wrong on his evaluation of how low-info normies are; i reckon enough of em to make a tactical difference are better informed than he thinks.
Disagree. Normie low information voters love to hang out in the middle of the Overton window. The way to reach them is to shift the Overton window, and you do that by cancelling the people on the edges.
If the local leftist Home Depot lady suddenly stops spouting leftism for fear of her job, they won't think "oh no, she's been silenced", they'll simply be exposed to fewer leftist arguments, and so drift right.
Home depot lady is probably repugnant to most of her colleagues though, and they've probably heard all of it ad nauseum. I doubt she is saying anything new, much less convincing anybody.
To compound her affront to decency and good sense she also apparently used the 'German' conditiknal: 'I wish the bullet wouldn't have missed'. Americans pliz stop using this ESL construction. You know what Benjamin Franklin said about swarthy Germans.
He went out and got Haywood? The absolute madman!
Great convo. Charles, glad we can disagree on this but still be frens xo
Holy shit you got Haywood. Nicely done, my friend.
In my fantasy world, which I wish was real world, Charles Haywood would be the Maximum Leader, and of course, his right-hand guy would be you, John. Foundationalism on Mars...I like it.
I would absolutely swear fealty to Haywood as Maximum Leader of the solar system, if I could be Warlord of Mars.
I would listen to this if it was distributed as a podcast. I can't find an RSS feed for it.
check the right rail
Banger episode Dudley! Somehow hadn't seen Haywood before (based on the other comments I must live under a rock), but glad I know now.
I think that Haywood is wrong on going after little fish.
His argument seems to be that you can't get the big ones so you go after the small. This only makes you look weak.
Maybe a more important counter is that there are many (tens of?) millions of Americans who are swinging voters. These are the sort of working people who aren't concerned with which side is funnier, has the better memes etc but who respond instead to twinges in the hip pocket nerve. Ordinary people don't spend all their time on the internet reading or posting rage screeds; in the real world politics are not as polarised as they seem to those who are always online.
These 'normie' types also tend to be extremely attached to the principle of free speech and dislike it when people are cancelled for their politics. If you want to win them over to the right even provisionally, say to get Trump elected, it's a poor tactic to start violating free speech principles merely to accomplish the sacking of a few people working for minimum wage or a bit over.
EDIT: two seconds after I post interview goes on and I hear that soldo made basically the same point...
EDIT 2: Haywood also wrong on his evaluation of how low-info normies are; i reckon enough of em to make a tactical difference are better informed than he thinks.
Disagree. Normie low information voters love to hang out in the middle of the Overton window. The way to reach them is to shift the Overton window, and you do that by cancelling the people on the edges.
If the local leftist Home Depot lady suddenly stops spouting leftism for fear of her job, they won't think "oh no, she's been silenced", they'll simply be exposed to fewer leftist arguments, and so drift right.
Well alright
Home depot lady is probably repugnant to most of her colleagues though, and they've probably heard all of it ad nauseum. I doubt she is saying anything new, much less convincing anybody.
She at the very least makes everyone slightly less leftist then her seem reasonable.
To compound her affront to decency and good sense she also apparently used the 'German' conditiknal: 'I wish the bullet wouldn't have missed'. Americans pliz stop using this ESL construction. You know what Benjamin Franklin said about swarthy Germans.
Good convo.
The gulag grandma thing definitely gave/gives me the ick as well, but Charles makes some compelling arguments here.
Not that my minds changed, but it's fine to leave it at 'there's room for nuance' lol.
Important to notice that not a single person who had an opinion on this canceled anyone.
Our militant incel commandos canceled these people weeks before it became content to farm.
God bless them.