I don't like hip hop. I've always found it dumb. The lyrics don't really resonate with me.
To be fair: The lyrics don't really resonate with me in classic rock either, but at least there's a melody there to listen to. With hip hop, I feel like I'm being forced to confront the substance of what the artist is saying, since there's nothing else to focus on.
I don't know if that makes me racist just because most hip hop artists are black. If there was a genre of music where white people did nothing but talk-sing simplistic rhymes into a microphone and there wasn't any melody, I'm pretty sure I'd hate that too. I just don't like the genre of music.
Like how Isaac doesn't like metal. I love metal. I play guitar. I love the virtuosity of it. I'm sure he just hears a bunch of noodly, boring guitar solos. It's fine. I don't think he's racist towards all white people because he hates metal.
If this is a reference to me saying that some people don't like Kanye's song because they're racist, I didn't mean to imply that anyone who doesn't like rap is racist. You are valid, Charlie!
It was actually a reference to Isaac saying that the only reason people don't like hip hop is because they're racist, so you're off the hook, but thank you!
Here's the exact quote. I feel like throughout the discussion, you're at least trying to explore other theories of mind and being generous. You say words like "sometimes", you equivocate.
Isaac is just flatly "It can only be racism" the entire time (he literally says this). The only possible reason to not like hip hop is because you are afraid of black people (again, an actual quote).
Dudley: "I think there's a lot of people on the right who have this reflexive hatred of hip hop, and sometimes it's because they're racist or whatever, but sometimes I think it's just that they've never taken the opportunity to try to understand it. You see the same thing with jazz."
Isaac: "It's racism. I mean it's very simply racism."
"You think so? I dunno."
"Yeah."
"I think sometimes it's just, people are -- for the same reason people say 'I don't like rap or country'..."
"It's intellectual racism. People who don't like rap are the same people who are afraid of black people, and they would never confront them in real life."
woah woah woah not AT ALL my point. people can definitely dislike hip hop not because of racism. most do. im talking about a completely different thing here.
Hip Hop is inane. You need to get on the Afrobeats, Afrohouse and Amapiano train. You’ll be dancing the night away. Partner dancing highly recommended. Bring your wife to the dancefloor!
Dudley saying he used to love reading movie reviews until around 2013 when every reviewer started grading films on how feminist and antiracist they were felt like finding a long lost brother with the second half of a heart-shaped puzzle locket.
The real cartoon would have the rich guy giving the cookie baking job to the immigrant while telling the poor guy the immigrant is trying to take your unemployment insurance cookie.
On the other artist besides XXXTentacion, it was Lil Peep. Peep was definitely a Kurt Cobaine figure and he was what the xan popping depressed late millennials/early Gen Z'ers wanted. I still belt "This is the song they played when I crashed into the wall" and "witchblades" every time they pop up on my playlist. Definitely an innovator in bringing emo/pop punk into rap.
6dogs was another great SoundCloud artist who died of suicide. He had a real monotone delivery so he never got as big but he has so many great songs and "Turtles" is an all time banger.
The other interesting things happening in hip-hop are the $uicideboys$ getting clean, becoming Christian, and $crim who was always the real crash out of the two getting married. They still rap about the same things but without the anti-Christian bent they used to have, but you can also hear the low-key religious influence and similarly low-key basedness coming through in lyrics like "she just want the love, I just want the drugs, surrounded by these hoes prayin' for em in the club." "More guns on me than a red county," and the dead giveaway they're Lowkey based "in a TRX he in a rhino he's mitt Romney." You don't even know to call Mitt a rino unless you're "in it" so to speak.
The other interesting thing is Ginn Lee. He's a big ginger white dude from a Dallas hood who drops Ns all the time. The video that starts his biggest song is a fist fight he got in at a convenience store cause someone told him not to say it. But he's not like a weirdo outsider, he's on a bunch of tracks with other certified gangster rappers from Texas and let me tell you the comments under his YouTube shorts are PRESSED about it.
That's it for the hip-hop update. Great episode as always fellas
is isaac saying that there was no a clear conspiracy by handlers press lawyers agents studio execs to excise him, remove his family and bank accounts and put him through the ringer?
it just cuts through all the bs post civilian rights gobbledegook. if we start naming things as what they are then the risk to those who initially counter signaled shiloh is that we’ll stop playing that game as well.
the whole point is that he didn’t do it to himself. as an artist he got more transgressive and pushing the edges and it was doing that that cost him everything.
I don't like hip hop. I've always found it dumb. The lyrics don't really resonate with me.
To be fair: The lyrics don't really resonate with me in classic rock either, but at least there's a melody there to listen to. With hip hop, I feel like I'm being forced to confront the substance of what the artist is saying, since there's nothing else to focus on.
I don't know if that makes me racist just because most hip hop artists are black. If there was a genre of music where white people did nothing but talk-sing simplistic rhymes into a microphone and there wasn't any melody, I'm pretty sure I'd hate that too. I just don't like the genre of music.
Like how Isaac doesn't like metal. I love metal. I play guitar. I love the virtuosity of it. I'm sure he just hears a bunch of noodly, boring guitar solos. It's fine. I don't think he's racist towards all white people because he hates metal.
If this is a reference to me saying that some people don't like Kanye's song because they're racist, I didn't mean to imply that anyone who doesn't like rap is racist. You are valid, Charlie!
It was actually a reference to Isaac saying that the only reason people don't like hip hop is because they're racist, so you're off the hook, but thank you!
Here's the exact quote. I feel like throughout the discussion, you're at least trying to explore other theories of mind and being generous. You say words like "sometimes", you equivocate.
Isaac is just flatly "It can only be racism" the entire time (he literally says this). The only possible reason to not like hip hop is because you are afraid of black people (again, an actual quote).
Dudley: "I think there's a lot of people on the right who have this reflexive hatred of hip hop, and sometimes it's because they're racist or whatever, but sometimes I think it's just that they've never taken the opportunity to try to understand it. You see the same thing with jazz."
Isaac: "It's racism. I mean it's very simply racism."
"You think so? I dunno."
"Yeah."
"I think sometimes it's just, people are -- for the same reason people say 'I don't like rap or country'..."
"It's intellectual racism. People who don't like rap are the same people who are afraid of black people, and they would never confront them in real life."
woah woah woah not AT ALL my point. people can definitely dislike hip hop not because of racism. most do. im talking about a completely different thing here.
Hip Hop is inane. You need to get on the Afrobeats, Afrohouse and Amapiano train. You’ll be dancing the night away. Partner dancing highly recommended. Bring your wife to the dancefloor!
Dudley saying he used to love reading movie reviews until around 2013 when every reviewer started grading films on how feminist and antiracist they were felt like finding a long lost brother with the second half of a heart-shaped puzzle locket.
Get Out was simply ok and I'm tired of pretending that it's a masterpiece.
The real cartoon would have the rich guy giving the cookie baking job to the immigrant while telling the poor guy the immigrant is trying to take your unemployment insurance cookie.
On the other artist besides XXXTentacion, it was Lil Peep. Peep was definitely a Kurt Cobaine figure and he was what the xan popping depressed late millennials/early Gen Z'ers wanted. I still belt "This is the song they played when I crashed into the wall" and "witchblades" every time they pop up on my playlist. Definitely an innovator in bringing emo/pop punk into rap.
6dogs was another great SoundCloud artist who died of suicide. He had a real monotone delivery so he never got as big but he has so many great songs and "Turtles" is an all time banger.
The other interesting things happening in hip-hop are the $uicideboys$ getting clean, becoming Christian, and $crim who was always the real crash out of the two getting married. They still rap about the same things but without the anti-Christian bent they used to have, but you can also hear the low-key religious influence and similarly low-key basedness coming through in lyrics like "she just want the love, I just want the drugs, surrounded by these hoes prayin' for em in the club." "More guns on me than a red county," and the dead giveaway they're Lowkey based "in a TRX he in a rhino he's mitt Romney." You don't even know to call Mitt a rino unless you're "in it" so to speak.
The other interesting thing is Ginn Lee. He's a big ginger white dude from a Dallas hood who drops Ns all the time. The video that starts his biggest song is a fist fight he got in at a convenience store cause someone told him not to say it. But he's not like a weirdo outsider, he's on a bunch of tracks with other certified gangster rappers from Texas and let me tell you the comments under his YouTube shorts are PRESSED about it.
That's it for the hip-hop update. Great episode as always fellas
Guess I need to start listen to the ribbety rap again...
what do you mean kanye’s isolated himself?
we all do that being imperfect?
is isaac saying that there was no a clear conspiracy by handlers press lawyers agents studio execs to excise him, remove his family and bank accounts and put him through the ringer?
https://youtu.be/409Pjtq7jzY?si=rWwk8GMb2TZZiwER
I think he's saying it's probably a little of both.
it just cuts through all the bs post civilian rights gobbledegook. if we start naming things as what they are then the risk to those who initially counter signaled shiloh is that we’ll stop playing that game as well.
if you can call an n word for acting like a criminal than you can call an x a j for noticing the same kind of behavior yadda.
cough ian carrol cough
Chris Rock is a national treasure. The true model minority.
how can one say the song and video are amazing and in the same breadth say oh this is the end it doesn’t end well nina simone yadda yadda.
counterpoint: the bottom occurred two years ago and he’s on the rise.
the whole point is that he didn’t do it to himself. as an artist he got more transgressive and pushing the edges and it was doing that that cost him everything.